Dlugo zastanawialam sie czy wyslac ten zapis, ale wlasciwie dlaczego nie.. na poczatku macie pewne przemowienie Madmartigana..ale szczegolnie koncowka wyglada interesujaco... Madmartigan yells: Since I expected more people I think it could be better just to bring up what is good and bad with the Sponsors today.. Madmartigan yells: For example, what do you think about sponsoring RL friends?? Kayen yells: In my experience......a VERY bad choice. You say: i know as a Ranger sponsour... i wouldn't do it... > Madmartigan nods solemnly. Madmartigan yells: At the moment it is allowed with the permission from the Conclave.. Madmartigan yells: I would like to see that option removed.. Kayen yells: I try to discourage it, but I know there will always be Knights who do so. Kayen yells: It is not an easy bond to detect. Madmartigan yells: I know.. Madmartigan yells: But when you know someone has been sponsored quite fast you might start to suspect things.. Kayen yells: Even if it was ordered nto to, it would be hard to discover and enforce. Madmartigan yells: It is not good for the Squire either.. Kayen yells: In most RL sponsorships I have witnessed in progress the squire is rebellious and the sponsor slacks off. Madmartigan yells: Perhaps not, but it would defenitly discourage it.. Madmartigan nods solemnly at Kayen. Madmartigan yells: This is one of the big problems to start with.. Madmartigan yells: The wait a person has to go through before getting sponsored is an important time as well.. Madmartigan yells: I know I ask a lot of questions to Squires and I am almost always dissapointed.. Madmartigan yells: Do you think we should suggest it Kayen?? Kayen yells: Are we speaking of time to be sponsored as a Squire or squires waiting to be Knighted? Madmartigan yells: The time to be sponsored as a Squire.. Madmartigan yells: It is during this time a person learns to be patient, which I have found very important when helping others.. Kayen yells: So you would like to see a greater wait for potential squires? Madmartigan yells: No I am speaking of the people who get sponsored by friends.. Madmartigan yells: In most cases they do not wait at all.. Madmartigan yells: Which means that they lack the first thing that someone who has waited for three months have, which is a certain devotion to the Knighthood.. Madmartigan yells: Would you wait 3 months to join a guild you don't want to join?? Kayen yells: I'd like to see the whole friends sponsoring friends situation removed. Madmartigan yells: Me too.. Kayen yells: I don' Oops, Kayen seems to have made a mistake! Kayen yells: I don't care if a friend waits 1 week or a year. There are too many complications. Madmartigan nods solemnly. Madmartigan yells: Yes I think so too.. You say: it is usial in Knights to wait more then 3 months? like 5 , 6? > Madmartigan goes hmmmm. Madmartigan yells: Yes unfortunately it is Pur.. Madmartigan yells: And with the rising number of Sentries we are having there are not enough Occ Knights to sponsor "real" Squires.. Madmartigan yells: Which is also something I would like to hear your opinions on.. Kayen asks Madmartigan something. Madmartigan smiles happily. Madmartigan yells: Good.. Madmartigan yells: Lets hope it stays closed as well.. You say: Occ Knight can sponsour 1 Squire or 1 Sentry only? Kayen asks Madmartigan something. Madmartigan yells: Yes, at a time.. You say: then of couse Squires should have the priority > Kayen yells: I have always been an advocate of the Knights not having a layman branch Madmartigan utters something in the Solamnian language. You say: and Sentry , how long should he be sponsored? > Madmartigan yells: It is not that easy since many Sponsors friends when they sponsor a Sentry.. Madmartigan yells: Missed a sponsor there somewhere.. Madmartigan yells: Until the Sentry is ready.. Madmartigan yells: Which in a Sentries case is not easy to say because they do not follow the Oath and the Measure as the Occ Knights do.. Kayen yells: Sorry about that. Maddy freaked out. Kayen giggles. Madmartigan yells: Thank you.. Madmartigan chuckles politely. Kayen yells: Keep the camera rolling Pur. Madmartigan yells: Another thing which is also something that I think should be taught to a Squire.. Madmartigan yells: Since we are to help people it would only be logical to stop and greet people, at least those within these walls.. Madmartigan yells: However many fail to see that and just rush by.. Madmartigan yells: I though the dwarf was one of those.. Kayen yells: I will admit a sponsor's job is quite difficult trying to remember everything there is to teach. Kayen yells: Perhaps a book should be written with guildlines to follow? Madmartigan yells: I know.. Kayen yells: A checklist sponsors can use incase they forget an aspect here or there? Madmartigan yells: I've tried to get the Conclave to start one but nothing seems to happen when I ask something.. Kayen yells: Even I fail to remember all there is to teach. You say: there should be a book like this > You say: we , Rangers , have book that saying what are the Master's duties to his Pupil > Madmartigan yells: Perhaps it should be written before you ask the Conclave for it's permission to be put in the library.. Madmartigan yells: However that is a member of the Knighthood.. Fysix arrives. Fysix smiles gleefully. Fysix yells: hi madman : ) Fysix introduces himself as: Fysix the Hardened Surveyor of the Travellers and Knight of the Crown, champion, male human. Fysix ponders squire : ) Madmartigan grins. Fysix ruffles Madmartigan's hair playfully. Madmartigan yells: It has been a long time Fysix.. Fysix nods wildly. Madmartigan yells: Intrested in speaking a little about Squiring?? Kayen yells: Such a book would aid squires as well for they could read the book and ask their sponsor questions that spark interest. Fysix giggles merrily. Fysix yells: sure. Madmartigan yells: We were just speaking about what a Squire needs to learn.. Fysix yells: I got that : ) You say: there should be also a book for Squires... > Fysix yells: sounds good idea. Madmartigan yells: Should we write one Kayen?? Kayen yells: Indeed. A muscular barrel-chested male dwarf arrives. The muscular barrel-chested male dwarf smiles happily. The muscular barrel-chested male dwarf introduces himself as: Hendel the Moderate Rockfriend, wanderer, male dwarf. Hendel smiles happily. Kayen yells: I think we should. Madmartigan yells: What more can we bring up?? Hendel waves happily. Fysix yells: hey hendel. Fysix introduces himself as: Fysix the Hardened Surveyor of the Travellers and Knight of the Crown, champion, male human. Madmartigan yells: I would think the lack of knowledge about the Knighthood is also an important thing to bring up.. Hendel leaves south. Madmartigan yells: I find that most Squires I ask even the simplest questions too fail to answer them correctly.. You say: do you have a list , saying in which order the applicants arraived? > Fysix nods knowingly. Kayen yells to you: A Crown councillor handles applications. You say to Fysix: was it a nod for me , or for Madmartigan? > You nod solemnly. Fysix yells: for mad : ) Kayen yells: Are you speaking of Knighthood history from the books Mad? You say: thay should not allowd the new Squires to become knights some time after thay applied > Madmartigan yells: No I am speaking of anything that is in the library about the Knighthood.. Madmartigan yells: Having read the books is not a must.. Kayen agrees. Madmartigan yells: I was a Knight for two years before I read the books and I think I did alright.. Madmartigan yells: But there is a lot of lore both in the Keep library as well as in the Palanthas Library.. Kayen yells: All those I squire must read both Vk and Palanthas libraries maticulusly. It is a pre-requisite. Madmartigan nods solemnly. Fysix rubs his chin thoughtfully. Madmartigan yells: But do you pop-quiz them about it?? Kayen yells: Sure do. Fysix chuckles politely. Kayen yells: If they fail, back to the books Fysix yells: hmm, I have to say I disliked learning stuff by heart. Fysix yells: one can be a true knight in heart, without being very literate. Fysix panics and looks for a place to hide. Fysix giggles merrily. Madmartigan yells: Indeed but today too many aren't true Knights in heart and they still don't know the books.. Kayen yells: I don't expect to a photographic memory Fysix, but I do expect certain knowledge contained in those books to be known. Fysix nods understandingly. Madmartigan yells: Oath and the Measure for the Orders is one.. Fysix yells: but reading the whole palanthas library... what u expect them to remember? Madmartigan yells: The Palanthas Library holds much information and of course you can't remember all of it.. Kayen yells: I expect them to know the alligance of certain gods. A light-skinned light-haired male elf enters the game. Madmartigan nods solemnly at Kayen. Fysix nods understandingly. The light-skinned light-haired male elf bows with the old-fashioned courtesy of a Solamnic Knight. The light-skinned light-haired male elf introduces himself as: Nikiel the Knight of the Crown and Scholar of the Valar, champion, male elf. Fysix introduces himself as: Fysix the Hardened Surveyor of the Travellers and Knight of the Crown, champion, male human. Madmartigan introduces himself as: Madmartigan the Traveller of Legend and Squire of Solamnia, champion, male human. Nikiel says: g'day to all of you Madmartigan yells: How are you Nikiel?? Nikiel salutes Kayen respectfully. Kayen introduces himself to Nikiel. Nikiel says to someone: Greetings Milord You introduce yourself to Nikiel. > Nikiel says to a dried piece of beef: thatns and you? Nikiel bows gracefully before you. You say: hmm , my dear Kayen , you forgot something. > Madmartigan yells: I am fine as well.. Kayen yells: Did anyone else just see Nikiel sing to a dried piece of beef? Nikiel clasps the hand of Fysix in warm welcome. Kayen scratches his head. Madmartigan yells: Not me.. Nikiel says: me? Fysix chuckles politely. Nikiel goes hmmmm. Fysix yells: hi niki : ) Nikiel smiles happily at Fysix. Madmartigan yells: He sings because he is an elf.. Nikiel says: Kayen what are you talking about? You say: we are not able to see each other in the time that we are unswering questions. > Madmartigan yells: And he sang to me, but a dried piece of beef?? Nikiel looks very confused. Nikiel says: Well it was pleasure to meet you but I have to logout for a minute You say: it is easy to write all Palanthas library down in your computer , and just read it when you asking them questions > Kayen yells: On my screen I received this message: "Nikiel sings to a dried piece of beef: thatns and you?" You say: i seen Nikiel saying to someone > Nikiel says: but if you are mounting nice team plz count me in :) Madmartigan yells: That was me he spoke to.. Nikiel falls down laughing. Nikiel says: Madmart you sure thatyou are not a beef? Fysix yells: well, everything can be cheated, it's the thought that counts. Madmartigan yells: Quite sure.. Madmartigan yells: We are speaking about Sponsoring if you are intrested.. Nikiel giggles merrily. Nikiel says: well I have to log out :( Nikiel says: hmm I could be Nikiel says: mu suire isn't going to be soon in genesis if never Fysix chuckles politely. Kayen yells to you: If they copy it down all the better. Then I am certain they know the information. It is "how" they know it, but "if" they know it. I see nothing wrong with having a copy of the Oath and Measure of front of you. Madmartigan nods solemnly. Oops, Kayen seems to have made a mistake! Madmartigan yells: We understand Kayen.. Nikiel says: poor guy lost his touch with reality and leaves in dreams away from account to net Fysix chuckles politely. Kayen yells: It's not "how" they know it, but "if" they know it. Madmartigan chuckles. Nikiel smiles happily. Nikiel says: see you in a minute Nikiel waves happily. Nikiel leaves the game. Fysix giggles merrily. Kayen yells: If every Knights had a copy of the Measure in front of them when they play I'd be a happy old man. :) Kayen absent-mindedly strokes his shoulder length white hair. Madmartigan yells: Shall we try and get back to the discussion?? Madmartigan yells: Or we are.. Fysix chuckles politely. Kayen yells: When did we leave? Madmartigan realizes his mistake. Kayen scratches his head. Local time : Tue Sep 3 10:32:12 1996 Start time : Mon Sep 2 20:43:10 1996 Up time : 13 hours 49 minutes 2 seconds Memory usage : 100% > Madmartigan yells: I wasn't paying attention for a second.. Fysix giggles merrily. Madmartigan yells: Reading books.. A big swarthy male hobbit arrives sneaking. The big swarthy male hobbit sneaks up. Fysix yells: I think it's a good idea. Kayen goes hmmmm. Madmartigan yells: I agree with Kayen that having a copy is alright, but knowing it by heart which isn't very hard to do actually is even better.. Madmartigan yells: But all too many do not even have a copy.. Kayen yells: Excuse me a moment. a big swarthy hobbit just went sneakking up The big swarthy male hobbit sneaks south. Kayen leaves up. Kayen arrives. Kayen leaves south. Fysix chuckles politely. Kayen arrives. Kayen yells: Sorry, I don't like people sneaking around my home. Fysix grins evilly. Madmartigan yells: Could it have been a Sentry?? Madmartigan yells: I know many Sentries "forget" to turn off sneak and go about it all the time.. Fysix shrugs helplessly. > Kayen shakes his head in disagreement. A male dwarf enters the game. The male dwarf wears the medallion of Calia. Kayen yells: I know all sentries on The male dwarf bows with the old-fashioned courtesy of a Solamnic Knight. The male dwarf introduces himself as: Mathrim the Leading Rockfriend and Knight of the Crown, champion, male dwarf. Mathrim smiles warmly. Madmartigan nods solemnly. Madmartigan introduces himself as: Madmartigan the Traveller of Legend and Squire of Solamnia, champion, male human. Mathrim salutes Kayen respectfully. Kayen introduces himself to Mathrim. Fysix introduces himself as: Fysix the Hardened Surveyor of the Travellers and Knight of the Crown, champion, male human. Mathrim greets Madmartigan. Fysix yells: hi mathrim. You introduce yourself to Mathrim, Kayen, Fysix and Madmartigan. > Mathrim clasps the hand of Fysix in warm welcome. Kayen yells: I'd like to discuss punishment sometime too Maddy. Mathrim smiles happily at you. Madmartigan yells: Go ahead and start it.. Fysix chuckles politely. Mathrim wears the golden scabbard around his hips. Mathrim inserts the white-silver ring in his right ear. Madmartigan yells: In my opinion our rules are wrong and when someone breaks them the punishments are wrong.. Mathrim leaves north. You say: it could be erin or porter , noone of them is sentry Kayen yells: Well I guess I am just a big mean guy, but I would like to see the guild crack down on sponsors a bit more. Madmartigan yells: Me too.. Kayen yells: I think sponsors should be held accountable for thier squires. The brave male knight says: Gunthar is a wise man and a hard task-master. Madmartigan yells: Isn't that the way it is supposed to be after the changes?? Kayen yells: Susposed to be is the key. It should but I haven't seen much of it. Madmartigan yells: The Conclave is to blame for that.. Mathrim arrives. Mathrim leaves up. Madmartigan yells: But then again as I said, our rules are all wrong.. Mathrim arrives. An apparition of Armageddon appears to you. He tells everyone: Lo and behold! I am here! The memory is almost used up! The figure then disappears. Madmartigan yells: I've tried to get the Conclave to give spcific rules instead of merely suggetsions.. Mathrim utters something in the Solamnian language. Mathrim says: May the roads you walk be sunny and straight, and may Paladine's smile be warm upon your face. Mathrim leaves south. Madmartigan yells: With suggestions people do what they ant to instead of what is intended.. Kayen nods. Madmartigan yells: But again my words have not caught the ears of the Conclave.. Kayen yells: Our rules should have no room for interpretation. Madmartigan yells: I hate to say it but I am dissapointed with too many things in the Knighthood.. You say: ok , we were talking about what should be changed in Knighthood at all > You say: why does so many Knights leave now? what has happend? > You say: and remember that i do not have much time now :) > You suddenly get the feeling that Vivien needs you! You suddenly get the feeling that Vivien needs you! Ok. > Ok. > Kayen yells: This discussion is about squires and sponsors. Let's try to keep it on that subject. Discussing entire guild problems or why people leave will take days.... Madmartigan yells: Hold on a sec will you.. You say: ok , let's discuss only partial problem > You say: can any of you use the library here and mail Vivien to come here? > Kayen yells: I will. Kayen leaves south. Madmartigan yells: I am back.. Kayen arrives. Kayen yells: done Kayen leaves south. Kayen arrives. Kayen yells: Meeting still in session? Kayen yells: ugh mail mail mail Kayen leaves south. You say: ok , should we wait for Vivien to come , so we can discuss it with her as well? > Madmartigan yells: Why not.. Kayen arrives. Kayen peers around. Kayen yells: Lagged? everyone still lagged except me? Madmartigan yells: All done?? Madmartigan yells: No I am waiting.. Kayen yells: hopefully. I keep get requests for my presence. Kayen yells: Let's get this thing underway. Madmartigan yells: Alright.. Madmartigan yells: Reading books and preferably know the contents are important.. Madmartigan yells: Tasks?? You say: ok , if you are in hurry we can keep talking , and Vivien is on her way... > Vivien shouts: Tadam!!! Vivien arrives. Vivien smiles happily. You say: don't you , Knights , give tasks to your Squires? > You catch your breath as Vivien curtseys before you with a playful twinkle in her eye. Kayen yells: They should me more than tasks...requirements. Vivien curtseys deeply to Kayen, nodding her head almost to the ground. Vivien curtseys to Madmartigan with great respect. Madmartigan yells: I would preferably see more tasks given out by the Sponsor and less by the High Warrior when the time is right.. You pull Vivien close and trace her lips with your tongue, kissing her passionately. > You say: ok , i stop Log :) Prosze sie nie smiac..*giggle* Jak sie domyslacie, bylo to widziane oczami Pura. Mile, czyz nie ? Ania/Vivien